“Non-violent” “peace” activists on flotilla planning to kill soldiers

Israeli Navy approaches 2010 flotilla

Israeli Navy boat approaches boat participating in 2010 flotilla

So much for the “peaceful” “non-violent” intentions of the Gaza “aid” flotilla.

Despite announcements from the Turks themselves that the terror organization IHH was not going to participate in the flotilla due to “technical reasons”, intelligence sources say that the IHH is indeed planning to join in after all by meeting up with the flotilla at sea.

As if that were not bad enough, these intelligence sources also claimed that flotilla members were bringing sacks of sulfur (in effect chemical weapons) with them to be used against any IDF soldiers boarding the boats.

IDF sources claimed Monday night that new intelligence information obtained by Israel in recent days shows that participants of the flotilla planning to break Israel’s sea blockade over the Gaza Strip later this week plan to kill IDF soldiers who board their ships.

According to the information obtained by the IDF, some of the participants have prepared a number of sacks with sulfur, which they plan to pour on the soldiers as they board the vessels.

“This is a chemical weapon and if poured on a soldier it can paralyze him,” an IDF source told The Jerusalem Post Monday night. “If the sulfur is then lit on fire, the soldier will light up like a torch.”

The information was obtained from closed meetings held by participants on the ships during which some voiced their intention to “murder Israeli soldiers,” according to the IDF. Also, despite earlier predictions that members of the Turkish organization IHH would not participate in the flotilla, it now appears that some members will sail with the ships alongside additional radical Islamic activists.

As for the rest of the terror-supporters’ claims that they are peaceful and non-violent, it turns out that some of them have direct links to Hamas:

Israeli officials claim that two activists participating in the flotilla have connections to Hamas. They named the first one as Amin Abu Rashad, who they claim is one of the head Dutch organizers for the Gaza flotilla and had served in the past as the head of the Hamas’ Charitable Foundation in Holland. The foundation closed down following Dutch authorities’ probe into its involvement in funding terror activities.

The second activist is Mohammed Ahmed Hanon, which Israel claims is a Hamas activist who stands at the head of the ABSPP, which is involved in transferring funds to terrorists.

Far from bringing (unneeded) aid to Gaza, this “peaceful” “non-violent” flotilla’s  least objectionable cargo appears to be “letters“, and the worst might well be (G-d forbid) chemical weapons.  While we wait (in vain?) for the world to condemn this aggressive action, just remember this incident the next time anyone talks about “non-violent” protest, “peace” activists and “aid” to Gaza and remind them of their lies and hypocrisy.

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46 Responses to “Non-violent” “peace” activists on flotilla planning to kill soldiers

  1. cba says:

    Elemental sulphur isn’t dangerous. I assume they’re talking about some sulphur compound (for example, hydrogen sulphide is as poisonous as hydrogen cyanide–it’s a gas, but there are solids that emit it under the right circumstances).

  2. cba says:

    Galei Zahal was talking about sulphuric acid… which is, of course, a whole ‘nother kettle of fish. It can also be used, as the speaker pointed out, to make explosives.

    • Jacen says:

      No, he was talking about elemental sulfur itself. You don’t store sulfuric acid in “sacks”.

  3. Jacen says:

    Did the IDF hire mind-readers? It couldn’t possibly be that they are bringing sacks of elemental sulfur for fungicide/pesticide for the Palestinians, now could it? What’s next? IDF is going to claim they brought concrete to make concrete shoes for the boarding soldiers and then dump them overboard? Absurd.

    • anneinpt says:

      The IDF don’t need to hire mind-readers. They have something very special. It’s called intelligence. I doubt the IDF would make such a claim without some very good information backing it up. It’s too easy to disprove otherwise.

      • Jacen says:

        So where is their evidence? This “source” simply made a claim. That’s it. For all we know they have sulfur on board for the reasons I stated, and they’re simply making stuff up. Because seriously – how is that feasible? Dump bags of sulfur on people coming in on helicopters? And then light it up and hope it burns? Why not keep extra cans of gasoline and do that?

  4. anneinpt says:

    Jacen, the IDF don’t customarily reveal their sources so I have no idea where this idea came from. I am not a chemist so I have no idea how or whether it is feasible to kill or harm anyone with bags of sulfur. All I did was report the news that I found on several websites.

    The commenter cba above said they heard that Galei Zahal (Israel Army Radio) reported that the chemical involved is sulfuric acid. Again, I don’t know what sources were involved.

    Hopefully all this publicity will prevent the flotilla activists from taking on this chemical cargo in the first place.

    And welcome to my blog. Sorry, I should have said so earlier :-).

  5. realRightWinger says:

    sulfur for pesticides etc are also used by PALs to create explosives – i.e. Kassams etc.

    • anneinpt says:

      Good point. They might be trying to smuggle it in to Gaza, and get a 2-for-1 “offer” by using it to harm the soldiers at the same time.

  6. C says:

    Teribble point. You can mix whatever with whatever. Did the ship have cooking oil on it? You know you can boil that and pour on people, right? Did it have access to gasoline och carosine? Or is it a steamboat? You know gasoline IS highly flammable?

    Sulfur is not very flammable and pouring it on someone trying to turn him into a “torch” is about as effective as using flour for the same purpose. Neither does it “paralyze” — that’s just silly. It’s of course meant to use as a pesticide — if you wanted to bring chemical weapons, you’d actually bring chemical weapons.

  7. C says:

    And as for “I am not a chemist so I have no idea how or whether it is feasible to kill or harm anyone with bags of sulfur.” Don’t you know a single person who took high school chemistry who you could ask? Or, you know, use Google?

    Sulfur burns slowly with a pale blue flame, It’s flammability is comparable to that of stearic acid.

    And why would you try to pour something on someone who is boading your ship from air? This is just stupid.

    • anneinpt says:

      I don’t see it as my duty to rebut the IDF’s claims. I just report the news. You seem to know a lot about chemistry, so you rebut the claims. You might very well be right in what you say, but the IDF says something different. Will we ever know the real story? Probably not. It might all be psychological warfare, or propaganda. Whatever. All is fair in love and war.

      As for boarding from the air – who says the IDF will board from the air? It didn’t work out so well last time. Perhaps they’ll try boarding from the sea.

      Or perhaps the IDF and Israeli Navy will manage to disable the ships so that the flotilla never leaves port, with or without sulphur.

  8. C says:

    So (in no particular order):

    1. Sulfur is not very flammable. It’s like common candle stearic. 2. You cannot store sulfuric acid in sacks, because it’s highly corrosive, and would destroy the sacks in minutes or so. 3. Sulfuric acid is not flammable at all. 4. If you wanted to turn soldiers into torches, you would use something highly flammable, like gasoline. 5. Gasoline is easier to come by than sulfur. 6. The idea of carrying heavy bags of sulfur, while being boarded, in order to *pour* their content on enemies coming at you from the sky. 7. If you wanted to kill boarding forces, you would shoot them. 8. The very idea that sulfur could act as a paralysant! (while not even being ingested). 9. To turn the contents of the sacks into poisonous gas would be kinda stupid, unless everyone onboard had been equipped with gas masks. Did the intelligence report on a massive load of masks? I could go on. But this is too much nonsense for a grown-up.

    All this is easily googleabe (and thus refutes your point that IDF doesn’t tell lies that are easy to check). On Jerusalem Post’s article on this, nearly all comments call for extreme violence against the flotilla — only a couple seeems to know or care about basic chemistry and/or logic.

    • anneinpt says:

      Thank you for your detailed reply. So plain sulfur would not be much of a weapon. However the commenter cba above said they heard Army Radio talking about sulphuric acid as opposed to sulphur. Sulphuric acid can indeed cause burns – chemical burns, not fire burns and has other dangerous side effects.

      Re the comments on the JPost – I am not responsible for anything printed in the JPost or for its comments. I just linked to the article to bring the news to a wider audience. Send your complaints to the Jerusalem Post itself.

      • Jacen says:

        You can’t store sulfuric acid in sacks. So the IDF is lying one way or the other.

      • Jacen says:

        Sulfuric acid is a liquid and not stored in sacks. So your IDF buddies lied one way or the other.

        And yes, you ARE responsible because you are here posting this which PERPETUATES the falsehoods of the IDF and JPost if you do not correct them.
        Sorry, there’s no evidence they are plotting to kill Israeli soldiers. As we saw lasat time, there’s one side eager to do their killing, and htat’s the IDF (firing shots at the boat from their helicopters before they even started boarding – disgusting)

        • anneinpt says:

          There won’t be any evidence until it happens – and then it will be too late. The IDF are trying to peacefully pre-empt any violence.

          As for the IDF firing shots before boarding – that’s an outright lie as proved by the UN investigation into the whole fiasco.

  9. C says:

    Sorry, you responded wihout me noticing it. OK:

    You do not just report, You write “(in effect chemical weapons)”, even though that is not true, and you could have easily found that out. You write “this aggressive action”, when there is no support for that. You are, I’m sorry, a mouthpiece. A person with an avarege education and intelligence would see that this whole thing is absurd. And, you do know, I hope, since you claim to read the news, that the ships *have* been inspected? Nothing dangerous was found, only medical supplies, building material, footballs, children’s books, food etc.

    • anneinpt says:

      You’re right. I am a mouthpiece. For Israel – my country, which I love, which is my homeland and the homeland of my people, my family, my children. I will defend it in any way I can. If that means being a mouthpiece – so be it. No one is forcing you to read my opinions.

      Now tell me, why is “this whole thing absurd”? Was the last flotilla so peaceful in its intentions or its execution? Were Israeli soldiers not attacked as soon as they boarded? If the last flotilla was so peaceful, why is the UN report going to criticize Turkey?

      You say the ships have been inspected? Which ships? What inspection? By whom? The flotilla activists proudly announce they are carrying nothing besides letters, so what are you talking about footballs and medicines? (This is besides the chemicals that the IDF claims might be on board). So far several ships have dropped out of the flotilla and a couple appear to have been nobbled – by Israel, the CIA… who knows. Let the conspiracy theories commence.

      If you are talking about the previous flotilla – take a look at this video and see for yourself the amount of non-violent peaceful weaponry they had on board:

      • Jacen says:

        That looks like tools, pieces, etc. you could find on any ship. Makeshift things to prevent a violent force from boarding them in INTERNATIONAL waters, which is what Israel did back then.

        • anneinpt says:

          There are knives and guns and explosives and firebombs. But you can ignore your own lying eyes if you so choose. None so blind as those who do not wish to see.

          As for boarding in international waters – Israel was and is completely within its rights to maintain and enforce the blockade as delineated in the San Remo convention on Maritime Law. Find the link in my sidebar and get an education.

  10. C says:

    Why would anyone use sulfuric acid as a weapon? This is nonsense — how would you go about it? It takes perhaps even minutes for a splash of it to burn through a soldier’s gear, and you would get shot before it has any noticable effect. Please think.

    • anneinpt says:

      Why would someone not use sulfuric acid as a weapon? Perhaps it’s easily obtainable. I don’t know – and again, I’m not in the business of fact-checking the IDF or the JPost. You may be right, I’m not denying it. But neither of us have any way of proving this matter one way or the other.

      It’s way past my bed-time so you can argue with yourself till the morning.

  11. C says:

    The point I made was not regarding JP itself — I was refuting your claim that the IDF wouldn’t tell lies that were easy to check. They did, and practically no one (including you) cared to check them out. The lion’s part of the commentators on JP say: Kill them! Bomb them! The rest remembered what they were taught in school and say: This is nonsense. So: Absurd propaganda works. You see it in the comments here, one person (except me) managed too keep a cool head.

    • anneinpt says:

      Absurd propaganda works

      LOL! The flotilla fools are masters of propaganda. “Peaceful”. “Non-violent”. “Aid”. “Humanitarian”. “Freedom”. Orwell would blush with embarrassment and roll over in his grave.

  12. C says:

    Yes — kitchen equipment, tools etc. I but you have some dangerous stuff at home. Please think. Scredrivers, hammers, knives etc.

    • anneinpt says:

      You’ve completely lost me now. Are you claiming the flotilla fools are peaceful or violent?

      I am claiming that they are violent terrorists or terror-enablers. They will try and use whatever they can lay their hands on, whether it’s kitchen utensils as you suggest, or sulfuric acid or guns and knives which they carry aboard.

      The best thing that could happen is if Israel manages to stop this ridiculous circus before it ever leaves port. So far we have 2 ships disabled and several dropped out due to “technical difficulties”. Only about 5 ships remaining… so the worst might hopefully never happen.

  13. C says:

    “I will defend it in any way I can”. By lying, for example. And pass on lies.

    Ok, so one cannot argue with you. Well then, good-bye. Hope you have a wonderful life.

    • anneinpt says:

      Thank you. I will, in my beautiful country which will with G-d’s help remain untouched by the terrorists and their fellow travellers and enablers and supporters.

  14. C says:

    One last thing: Don’t use Orwell as a rhetorical device, read him,. He would actually have loathed what you are doing here right know.

    Bye.

    • anneinpt says:

      Black is white. Up is down. Night is day. You and your terrorist friends would horrify Orwell. He warned about this phenomenon. It’s called Newspeak.

      • Jacen says:

        “Terrorist friends”? Are you talking about the flotilla? So you are calling your fellow Jews terrorists? Because there are a number of Jews going with the flotilla: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/145084

        American Jews comprise of 25 percent of the fltilla. That’s 1 in 4 of the folks there are Jews.

        • anneinpt says:

          If a Jew is supporting a terrorist then he is a terrorist enabler or a friend of a terrorist. I can’t see what religion has to do with it. You are a racist if you think otherwise.

  15. DavidinPT says:

    We all know that it is Israel’s policy to shoot down any plane, including civilian ones, if it enters Israeli airspace without permission and/or without identifying itself. This is known as protecting one’s sovereignty. As far as I’m concerned, Israel should let these flotilla ships enter Israeli territorial waters and then simply sink them. End of story.
    And by the way, C, you are cordially invited to be sitting inside one of said ships.

  16. realRightWinger says:

    Obviously C is a Troll – but anyway, here are two sites showing photos of sulphur that can be transferred in sacks –
    http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/anhuibag/offer-detailcbCErfjxHgVo/Sell-Sulphur-Lump-Jumbo-Bags.html
    http://www.manufacturer.com/product/i1931212-Solid+Sulfur+In+Jumbo+Bags.html
    I doubt the ships will have this on board – but corrosive is probably only after an extended period of time – not 2 – 3 days on a boat .

  17. Bob says:

    Obviously realRW cannot tell the difference between sulfur and sulfuric acid.

  18. Bob says:

    Quite ridiculous discussion, btw. First, C explains: ” It takes perhaps even minutes for a splash of it to burn through a soldier’s gear, and you would get shot before it has any noticable effect. Please think.” Then Ann asks: “Why would someone *not* use sulfuric acid as a weapon?” Jacen explains at the top of the thread the difference between elemental sulfur and sulfuric acid, something that realRW, some 30 comments later, still doesn’t get.
    Y’all don’t seem to read each other’s posts. Or anything else, btw. Ann: The ships were inpsected in greece, no one has ever claided that the flotilla contained “nothing but letters”: Read the news sometimes, and use google instead of asking questions in a debate.

    • anneinpt says:

      Gosh, this thread has certainly attracted the crazies. Looks like we hit a nerve here.

      For all the trolls and nit-pickers: The IDF said that they fear the terrorists and their supporters on board the flotilla plan to harm or kill any soldiers trying to board the boats. The IDF mentioned sulfur. Neither I nor you nor anyone else has any way to fact check the IDF. We don’t know what their intelligence sources say.

      Now you might all be correct that sulphur is not that deadly – though I bet none of you trolls would like to have it thrown anywhere near you. That does not negate the fact that the flotilla-fools would like to do harm to the soldiers. Their intentions are not peaceful.

      Bob, you say the ships were inspected in Greece. By whom? What was found? Where is any report? Bring your proof.

      • Jacen says:

        “The crazies” as in “anyone who dares to question the mighty and holy IDF and Israel who I will do anything including lie, to defend”. Gotcha.

        • anneinpt says:

          The crazies are people who will not take no for an answer. Who consider terrorists to be peace-loving, even though they have declared their evil intentions in advance.

          “I will do anything including lie, to defend”
          I never said those words. You are lying and slandering me in public. You make me sick.

  19. realRightWinger says:

    Bob – you do not know anything about me – and in fact I do know the difference between sulfuric acid and sulfur. I misread your comment, and thought you wrote that sulfur cannot be placed in sacks – therefore I sent the pictures. However, as you correctly wrote sulfuric acid cannot be transferred by sacks – in fact no liquids can be transferred in sacks – unless they are correctly lined. In fact if you should read my comment carefully – since it says nothing about sulfuric acid.
    Now what Anne and myself and others here are talking about are the intentions of the Flotilla attendees. It is in our honest opinion that those attending are just trying to provoke us to a violent response under the claim that Gaza residents are in a Humanitarian crisis – when in fact many NGOs agree that there is no such crisis at all – especially now that Egypt has opened its border, and the fact that Israel transfers truckloads of goods in every day thru the Erez crossing – I know, I have friends that serve there – so they are not after really trying to help – (with letters !) – they are out to cause trouble – and this Israel will stop – whether you like it or not.
    If in the end the Flotilla does take place – then Israel will do everything in its power to stop them – and as Anne said – All is fair in love and war –
    So take your chances if you like

  20. Bob says:

    “Bob, you say the ships were inspected in Greece. By whom? What was found? Where is any report? Bring your proof.”

    Anne: learn to use Google. You say you “monitor” the news? As the ships fron various countries achored greece, the ships were inspected by customs services, who do you think inspected them? Batman? You really must learn to read about the things you wright about. For instace your claim that the flotilla said they were only bringing letters. In fact, two boats will carry aid in form ofmedicines, a fully-equipped ambulance car and cement, the other eight will bring people and some small items like footballs and stuff.

    And pleasy stop insulting comentators, You’re not setting a good example. Until someone actually says thing in support of terror, you should refrain from calling them “friends of terrorists” and stuff like that. Tone it down, or you will have no one left to argue with, it will just be you and your friends shouting slogans to each other.

    • anneinpt says:

      Bob, you can google as well as I can. So where is your link? Where is your proof? You don’t have any do you. I googled and found nothing which is how I know you have no proof.

      Ships that were anchored in Greece were checked for .. what? Seaworthiness, that is all. No one checked for arms or forbidden goods.

      I will stop insulting commenters when they stop insulting me. Commenting here is a privilege not a right. I am the host – treat me as such, and I will treat you as a guest.

      If a commenter approves of the flotilla then I’m sorry to say that he/she is a friend of terrorists. I can’t see any other way to describe them.

  21. anneinpt says:

    I am closing comments on this article too. Too many antisemitic crazies.

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