Sudden Jihad Syndrome in London

UK terrorist with bloody hands still holding a meat cleaver talks to passers-by

A shocking act of sickening violence occurred today in London when two terrorists butchered a soldier in the street near his barracks in broad daylight by axing him to death with a meat cleaver. There are reports that the soldier was beheaded.

As an aside, the picture above bears a strong resemblance to the picture of the infamous lynch of Ramallah in 2000 when two Israeli reservists were torn to death by a blood-thirsty mob.

Ramallah lynch perpetrator waves his bloody hands

Ynet reports on the London attack:

A man was hacked to death in a street near an army barracks in London on Wednesday in what Prime Minister David Cameron said appeared to be a politically motivated attack.

The victim was a British soldier killed in broad daylight by unidentified assailants who tried to behead him while shouting “God is greatest” in Arabic, media reports said.

“It is the most appalling crime,” Cameron said in Paris. “The police are urgently seeking the full facts about this case but there are strong indications that it is a terrorist incident.”

Video footage filmed by an onlooker and broadcast by Britain’s ITV news channel showed a man with hands covered in blood and holding a bloodied knife.

 

According to the Daily Telegraph, an eye witness said the attackers had three knives, including a machete, and said: “”They seemed to be encouraging people to take photos and waited there until police arrived as if they wanted a fight. that they encouraged bystanders to take photographs.”

Another eye witness said the attackers prayed as if it was a ritual sacrifice.

Later a video was broadcast by the ITV News channel showing a man with bloodied hands, apparently one of the attackers, holding a knife and a machete.

According to the Daily Telegraph, he can be heard saying in a London accent: “I apologize that women had to witness that, but in our lands our women have to see the same thing.

“You people will never be safe. Remove your Government, they don’t care about you.”

According to the report, he then walks off, still carrying his weapons, back towards the body of the victim who is lying in the middle of the road.

In other parts of the video, according to the Daily Telegraph too shocking to show, it is claimed he says: “This British soldier is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.”

A British government official who spoke only on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about the investigation said the details that had emerged were indicative of a “terrorist-motivated attack.”

Police confirmed that one man was found dead at the scene and that two men were shot by police and taken to separate London hospitals. One of them is in serious condition, according to London Ambulance Service.

The BBC has more details and some eye-witness reports:

  • Both shot men were taken to hospital, one by air ambulance
  • One of the men is in a serious condition, the other is also being treated for injuries
  • A crowd of 100 – including members of the English Defence League – gathered in Woolwich town centre and were met with a heavy police presence including officers wearing riot gear.
  • The Daily Telegraph has spoken to a woman it says was pictured confronting one of the men; cub scout leader Ingrid Loyau-Kennett said she tried to persuade him to hand over his weapons
  • Downing Street said Mr Cameron, who had been planning to stay in Paris overnight after meeting the French president, would be returning to the UK later on Wednesday
  • At a meeting of the government’s emergency response committee, Cobra, it was decided to tighten security at Woolwich and other barracks in London
  • In a joint press conference, Mr Hollande said he wanted to express his solidarity with the UK after the “murder of a British soldier”, but Mr Cameron did not confirm the victim had been a serviceman
  • The Ministry of Defence said it was urgently looking into reports the incident had involved a soldier
  • Another Cobra meeting will be held on Thursday morning, chaired by Mr Cameron

[…]

One witness, identified only as James, said two men had attacked another man, aged about 20, who was wearing a T-shirt of military charity Help for Heroes.

“These two guys were crazed. They were just animals. They dragged him from the pavement and dumped his body in the middle of the road and left his body there,” he told LBC radio.

He said after the “horrendous” attack, the two men, who were also in their 20s, stood around, waving knives and a gun, and asked people to take pictures of them “as if they wanted to be on TV or something”.

“They were oblivious to anything, they were more worried about having their photo taken, running up and down the road,” he said.

Witness Graham Wilders told the BBC he had arrived on the scene to find a car crashed into a wall and a man on the ground.

“Two people were lying over him and I thought they were trying to resuscitate him,” he said.

But Mr Wilders said he had driven on to park his car, and when he had returned another witness had told him the two men had been stabbing the man on the ground.

Thomas, another witness who contacted the BBC, said: “I got there minutes after it happened because you could hear gunshots from Woolwich High Street.

“Basically two men carried out an axe attack on a young army cadet walking along the street, by the looks of things the police responded and then shot them in front of the public, at the same time I couldn’t really tell if the cadet was fatally or not hurt as police were crowded around him.”

According to senior Whitehall sources the people carrying out the attack were heard to say: “Allahu Akbar [God is Great]”, BBC political editor Nick Robinson reported.

Besides the nauseating and senseless violence, and the gall of carrying out such an attack right outside a military barracks in broad daylight, what struck me about this incident was the apparent calmness of the public. There doesn’t seem to be any running about or screaming despite the horrific scene. Passers-by can be seen approaching the attackers and trying to reason with them. We read about this also in the eye-witness reports. I don’t know whether to admire their bravery or be appalled at their foolhardiness. I know that if I were in that situation I would be running for my life, trying to find a place to hide. Is this typical British stoicness or an ignorance of terrorism?

Also the attacker who speaks to the camera appears to be relatively calm despite the crazed violence that he has just committed. He doesn’t seem to want to attack anyone else, and “just wants his picture taken”. And then he apologizes that “women had to see such a sight”. It sounds more like the work of a psychopath than a jihadist (though I think the two are closely related).

And yet he clearly enunciates his reasoning for the attack, and the two terrorists were heard shouting “Allahu Akhbar”, which together with the method of murder makes it look like an Islamic terror attack.

Incidents like these, “lone wolf” terror attacks have been nick-named Sudden Jihad Syndrome, when seemingly normal citizens suddenly turn into jihadist killers. Is there a way to stop them before they turn into murderers? Was there a way for their communities to spot the psychopaths lurking within?

I wonder if we’ll ever know.

My condolences go out to the murdered soldier’s family and sympathies go out to the people of London – who ought to be made aware of the danger of  jihadist extremists hiding amongst the regular Muslim population.

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16 Responses to Sudden Jihad Syndrome in London

  1. Reality says:

    my question is -who filmed this? & why didn’t they scream for help?How come there were no sounds of someone throwing up?!That poor poor victim. I send condolenses to his family. In Israel there are always soldiers wandering about(going to or from their bases) -someone would’ve overcome them & shot them(I hope).It was so cold bloodedly carried our.Here in Israel another qiestion would’ve arisen(as we’ve recently seen) : Why did the police shoot the barbarians? (I agree with the police here ) They looked rather proud of their work.-possibly would’ve gone “quietly” to the police station!

    • anneinpt says:

      There were other more graphic videos but I didn’t see them, and even if I did, I wouldn’t have posted them. This video was filmed by a passer-by. it does seem a bit cold, but on the other hand perhaps he thought it would be good for evidence.

      You’re right about the soldiers wandering about here, but I wonder why the soldiers in the barracks didn’t come out when they heard the gunfire. Or perhaps they didn’t hear it? Sounds odd to me.

      I doubt the terrorists would have gone quietly. They seemed proud of their work as you say and wanted to get caught, probably to die as shahidim. So the police helped them along a little, without actually killing them.

  2. Neil Turner says:

    I suspect the public’s apparent calm has been misinterpreted Anne. Unlike citizens of Israel who have experience of these things, the Londoners would simply not be able to take it in, and were probably bemused.

    The anger and shock will,follow

    • anneinpt says:

      Yes, you’re right. I’ve been reading more eye-witness reports and they certainly sound extremely shocked and shaken.

      I don’t think even Israelis would take something as horrific as this in their stride. in fact, even “regular” terror attacks are not taken calmly. Bystanders will always be shocked. It’s only human nature. It’s the aftermath that Israelis are used to, and the fact that the authorities clean up a terror scene very quickly.

      In that respect the British seemed rather too calm to me. If I had been at the scene, I would have been running for my life. There’s no way in hell I would have approached the killers, let alone try and make contact with them. I think the woman protecting the victim’s body was heroic, but she was extremely foolhardy. There was no guarantee the killers wouldn’t have turned on her, despite their “gallant” words apologizing to the women who might have seen the murder.

  3. This is not a “sudden jihad syndrome,” it is the teaching of the Koran syndrome. Just ask any of the Islamists closet savages that are praising the savages that kill in the name of their worshiped prophet. It will be interesting to witness the throngs of Moslems congregating to condemn this barbarism – I understand they will hold their convention in a local telephone booth. There is still space available for those wishing to attend. Ironic that Israel has become one of the safest places in the world – they have lost enough of their treasured citizens to come to understand and take action against this mortal threat of Islam. How many more must we lose before we awake?

    • anneinpt says:

      I used the term “sudden Jihad syndrome” ironically. I saw it used for the Fort Hood massacre, and thought it an appropriate parallel, when seemingly normative British citizens turn into jihadists with no apparent warning.

      Regarding Israel being one of the safest places in the world, it depends on what level. During the time of the intifada it most definitely was not safe. I used to think twice before going to the mall and I didn’t let my teenage kids hang out there because of the danger – and they listened!

      But the threat of Islam is not the same in Israel as it is outside. In Israel, the Muslims are part of our society. They live amongst us, they are not immigrants with a different culture who won’t integrate. We are all one nation even if we live in separate communities and don’t have much to do with each other. In Europe and the US, the Muslims are immigrants bringing a foreign culture, who can’t or won’t fit in and who want to impose their culture on the host society. It’s not the same situation in Israel.

      But Israel as a whole does know how to identify terrorists and to call spade a spade. You won’t find the same obfuscation about terrorists as you do everywhere else.

  4. cba says:

    I just read the Telegraph account of the amazing actions of Ingrid Loyau-Kennett. She was absolutely brilliant, and very brave.

    “…I thought it was better having them aimed on one person like me rather than everybody there…”

    • anneinpt says:

      Sorry to disagree with you but I thought she was nuts. The victim was dead already. What or who was she protecting? And how did she know the killers wouldn’t kill her and then kill other people anyway? She should have taken cover and stayed away. She’s lucky the killers were more interested in getting their photos taken and preaching their hate rather than committing more murders.

      • cba says:

        She was protecting the other people in the area. She wanted to keep his attention on her so he wouldn’t attack anyone else, especially as there were children around (the nearby school).

        I’ll quote a bit more from the article:

        “Being a cub leader I have my first aid so when I saw this guy on the floor I thought it was an accident then I saw the guy was dead and I could not feel any pulse.
        “And then when I went up there was this black guy with a revolver and a kitchen knife, he had what looked like butcher’s tools and he had a little axe, to cut the bones, and two large knives and he said ‘move off the body’.
        “So I thought ‘OK, I don’t know what is going on here’ and he was covered with blood. I thought I had better start talking to him before he starts attacking somebody else. I thought these people usually have a message so I said ‘what do you want?’
        “I asked him if he did it and he said yes and I said why? And he said because he has killed Muslim people in Muslim countries, he said he was a British soldier and I said really and he said ‘I killed him because he killed Muslims and I am fed up with people killing Muslims in Afghanistan they have nothing to do there”…

        She said: “I started to talk to him and I started to notice more weapons and the guy behind him with more weapons as well. By then, people had started to gather around. So I thought OK, I should keep him talking to me before he noticed everything around him…”

        She said: “The other one was much shier and I went to him and I said ‘well, what about you? Would you like to give me what you have in your hands?’ I did not want to say weapons but I thought it was better having them aimed on one person like me rather than everybody there, children were starting to leave school as well.

        • anneinpt says:

          I still think she was nuts. She was definitely heroic for trying to do CPR but –

          I saw the guy was dead and I could not feel any pulse.

          At that stage she should have retreated.

          “So I thought ‘OK, I don’t know what is going on here’ and he was covered with blood. I thought I had better start talking to him before he starts attacking somebody else. I thought these people usually have a message so I said ‘what do you want?’

          What if what he wanted was to chop off her head too?! Did she even consider that as a possibility?

          She said: “I started to talk to him and I started to notice more weapons and the guy behind him with more weapons as well. By then, people had started to gather around. So I thought OK, I should keep him talking to me before he noticed everything around him…”

          Again, what she should have done was warn people off. Not try to attract attention to herself, heroic and self-sacrificing though that was. What she should have done was to signal to the other bystanders to move away without alarming the killers. That’s always the first rule in a terrorist attack – get the innocent civilians out of harms way, NOT to absorb the harm onto yourself.

          “The other one was much shier and I went to him

          Why did she approach him if he was standing back and being shy?! Why draw him out? What was she hoping to achieve? She’s watched too many CIS programs where the police psychologist talks the desperado off the ledge of the roof.

          children were starting to leave school as well.

          No they weren’t. The headmaster of the school at the scene brought the children inside the school and locked it down according to correct safety procedures.

          She was foolhardy and crazy and extremely lucky to be alive.

  5. Anthony Stephenson says:

    The UK is sleep-walking. We need to wake up to Islamic extremism. The British public are blinded by our own ignorance of terrorism and our cultural British stoicism, There is no fear because bombing and shootings only happen outside of the UK. Our naivety to extremists is going to get us killed unless we wake-up.

    • anneinpt says:

      The British public are blinded by our own ignorance of terrorism and our cultural British stoicism,

      Very well said.

      There is no fear because bombing and shootings only happen outside of the UK.

      Well, that’s not strictly true. What about 7/7 and the foiled Glasgow bombings? Not to mention the foiled airline bombings with liquids? There’s really no excuse for the British to be so naive. Stoicism is a good think but naivete or ignoring reality most definitely isn’t. You’re right that the naivety will get people killed.

  6. Anthony Stephenson says:

    Thank you for your considered reply. The second sentence you commented upon was said ‘tongue in cheek’ for It amazed me how quickly violent extremism and terrorism on our homeland appeared to have been pushed aside.

    • anneinpt says:

      Oh, sorry about my irony-meter falling flat. It’s been a long day 🙂

      It amazed me how quickly violent extremism and terrorism on our homeland appeared to have been pushed aside.

      Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

  7. roxymuzak says:

    My mother and uncle, now passed to their eternal reward (RIP), used live in that area many moons ago.

    England needs to confront this issue seriously, or just cut to the chase and call its capital Londonistan.

    The blood was barely dry on the road when the reprehensible Guardian, who else, were trotting out the usual moral relativism, banging on about it being a response to British and American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, etc, etc.

    During the week, Muslim terrorists murdered scores in West Africa. Did anyone notice West Africans invading Iraq recently?

    The IDF are the only ones that know how to respond to these savages, the type of response that puts a heavy strain on the virgin inventory in the afterlife.

    • anneinpt says:

      Well said Roxymuzak. I just hope the IDF carry on combatting the terrorists as they should and that the political echelon don’t tie their hands as they have done so far regarding stone-throwers.

      It is so sad to see what has become of London. I’m an ex-Londoner myself.

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