Peace without normalization is not peace

Mahmoud Abbas: Me? Condemn terror? You’ve got to be joking!

After the terrorist attack on Passover eve, when Police Chief Superintendent Baruch Mizrachi was shot dead and his pregnant wife and one of their children injured by a Palestinian terrorist, it was rumoured that Palestinian “President” Mahmoud Abbas had condemned the murder.

But no. Abbas refutes such a malicious lie, and denies condemning the murder:

Authority (PA) Chairman Mahmoud Abbas’s office wasted no time on Wednesday in denying reports that he condemned the terrorist attack the occurred near Hevron on Monday.

The attack left Chief Superintendent Baruch Mizrahi dead and two others, including his pregnant wife, wounded.

Leftist MKs who met with Abbas on Wednesday as Mizrahi was being buried told Israeli media that Abbas had condemned the murder, as well as “all other terror attacks.” The supposed condemnation was seen by many as a ploy to bolster the PA’s image.

However, something was apparently lost in translation in the meeting between Abbas and the leftist MKs, as Abbas’s spokesman Nabil Abu Rudeineh recalled Abbas’s statements quite differently.

Rudeineh quoted Abbas as saying “we are against violence and a return to violence,” but not specifically condemning the Hevron attack at all.

What does it say about Palestinian society that their leadership feel obliged to NOT condemn a terrorist murder of Israeli civilians? And if Abbas did indeed condemn the attack, what does it say about his society that he feels the need to deny the condemnation? Is he afraid of being murdered by his compatriots or of being deposed by one of his many rivals?

Prof. Mohammed Dajani visits Auschwitz with 27 Palestinian students

A similar story of Palestinian intransigence is noted when an independently-minded Palestinian Professor Mohammed S. Dajani took 27 Palestinian college students to visit the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland. Read what happened next:

Professor Mohammed S. Dajani took 27 Palestinian college students to visit the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland a few weeks ago as part of a project designed to teach empathy and tolerance. Upon his return, his university disowned the trip, his fellow Palestinians branded him a traitor and friends advised a quick vacation abroad.

Dajani said he expected criticism. “I believe a trip like this, for an organized group of Palestinian youth going to visit Auschwitz, is not only rare, but a first,” he said. “I thought there would be some complaints, then it would be forgotten.”

But the trip was explosive news to some, perhaps more so because it took place as U.S.-brokered peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians were in danger of collapse, and emotion surrounding the decades-old conflict is high.

Controversy was also heightened by rumors — untrue — that the trip was paid for by Jewish organizations. It was paid for by the German government.

Dajani said that many Palestinians think the Holocaust is used by Jews and Israelis as propaganda to justify the seizure of lands that Palestinians say are theirs and to create sympathy for Israel. Others, he said, think the Holocaust is exaggerated or just one of many massacres that occurred during World War II.

“They said, ‘Why go to Poland? Why not teach our young people about the Nakba?’ ” Dajani said.

[…]One reader said that taking Palestinian students to Auschwitz was not freedom of expression but treason.

Other critics of the trip included newspaper columnists, TV analysts and fellow researchers in the West Bank.

While the Palestinian students were visiting Auschwitz, a parallel group of Jewish Israeli students from Ben-Gurion University of the Negev and Tel Aviv University ventured to Bethlehem to hear Palestinians from the Dheisheh refugee camp tell their story. The responses of both groups of students — Israelis and Palestinians — would then be analyzed.

[…]

A firebrand in the Fatah political movement when he was young, Dajani said he is now a proponent of moderate Islam and moderate politics. He founded a group dedicated to both, called Wasatia, in 2007. His writing and conversation are filled with references to tolerance, reconciliation and dialogue. He supports two states for two peoples and thinks Jerusalem should be shared by Israelis and Palestinians.

“He is a theologian and a pragmatist, and in that regard, he is unique here. He is also extremely brave,” said Matthew Kalman, a commentator at the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz who broke the story of the Auschwitz trip and who has followed Dijani’s career for years.

“He is also a proud Palestinian nationalist,” Kalman said, who regards the Israelis as occupiers. “But he thinks if you want to engage the Israelis, you have to understand where they’re coming from.”

The trip to Auschwitz was part of a trilateral research project called “Heart of Flesh — Not Stone,” named for a passage in the Book of Ezekiel and designed to not only increase empathy but also to study it. Organized by one of the oldest faculties of Protestant theology in Europe, at the Center for Reconciliation Studies at Friedrich-Schiller University in Jena, Germany, the trip was paid for by the German Research Foundation, a funding agency.

Some of Dajani’s detractors accused him of trying to brainwash Palestinian youth.

A university student who went on the trip but asked not to be named because of the charged atmosphere said the visit changed him. “You feel the humanity. You feel the sympathy of so many people killed in this place because of their race or religion.”

“Most people said we shouldn’t go,” the student said. “It is a strange thing for a Palestinian to go to a Nazi death camp. But I would recommend the trip.” He said it did not diminish his desire for a Palestinian state.

[…]

Many Palestinians today oppose what they call “normalization,” which they say seeks to paper over the injustice of the Israeli military occupation by encouraging joint projects between Israelis and Palestinians as if they were both equal, the one not subject to the greater power of the other. Such joint efforts, they reason, will only prolong the occupation by providing Israelis with cover.

[…]

In a statement last week, Dajani wrote: “I will go to Ramallah, I will go to the university, I will put my photos of the visit on Facebook, and I do not regret for one second what I did. As a matter of fact, I will do it again if given the opportunity. I will not hide, I will not deny, I will not be silent. I will not remain a bystander even if the victims of suffering I show empathy for are my occupiers. And this is my final statement on this issue.”

One can but admire Professor Dajani’s bravery in going against the mainstream Palestinian opinion.  But contrary to the “bravery” of Western opinion-makers going against mainstream thought, the risk to Dajani is very real and very physical.  Being called a traitor in Palestinian society is almost a virtual death sentence. He is literally putting his life on the line for opposing Palestinian group-think.

And again, as we can see from the Palestinian voices mentioned in the article who speak against normalization with Israel, what kind of society is this that Israel is expected to make peace with?

Well-meaning do-gooders (and plenty of not-so-well-meaning meddlers) constantly prod Israel to talk to the Palestinians and concede huge tangible assets for the sake of a peace piece of paper. They try to encourage Israel by saying that “you make peace with your enemies, not with your friends”. But this is not true. You make peace with your enemies after they have decided to stop being your enemiesafter they have given up attempting to destroy you, and after they accept your right to exist as a free and independent nation, and not while they are still trying to delegitimize you.

These are just two small examples of all that is wrong with the lopsided “peace” negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.  These are besides the preposterous demands made by Abbas for him to agree to continue talking.

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14 Responses to Peace without normalization is not peace

  1. NormanF says:

    I do not blame the Arabs – they are what they are.

    I blame the Jews for acting like slaves and toadying to them. A lot of Jews have still not left Egypt. They do not know what it truly meeans to be free.

    And no surprise, they get duped time after time by the enemy.

  2. Reality says:

    I place the blame on the Palestinians &their leaders but certainly the EU din’t help.I just read that Catherin Ashton was amazingly “upset ” by Israels non conducive actions for peace barely mentioning or evencastigating the Arabs(G-d forbid)for the terrorist attack on Erev Pessach when Baruch Mizrachi z”l was killed.Likewas was any mention made of the fact that 100’s of rocks were found in the mosque above the kotel ,having been stored there to pelt down on Jewish worshipers?Not a word or condemnation.So let us blame the EU or UN for helping to perpetuate non peace.

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  5. Aridog says:

    You will not get positive responses from the EU, the UN, and other westerns nations until you take a unified international political position that no further concessions to Palestinian Arabs will be made, no land post 1967 will be swapped or otherwise detached from Israel, and if one more rocket emanates from Gaza then you will level it and make it a National Seashore. No other western nation would stand for what Israel is asked to do, such as give away territory and move her borders inward. It is only done, when it is, at the point of a gun…witness the Crimea. One reason nobody mentions the Crimea in that context is simple: the Ukraine has long been rife with similar political divisions of an existential nature, not terribly different than Israel.

    Arabs within the Israeli borders circa 1967 can either join or leave. Better that say half leave. However there is a problem with that, and it is one tactic other nations surround Israel act the way they do…the Palestinians are their proxies. The real reason the Palestinians cannot move, quite frankly, is that no one in the entire Middle East wants them. Heck, I live in a 90% Muslim community and they are scarcely welcome here … except for parades by nut cases, of course, then they are useful temporarily. Not a new phenomena.

    When the Tartars came there were too many Ukrainians and Poles who did not resist with their hearts and souls. If you read the historical novel trilogy by Henryk Sienkiewicz, vis a vis Poles and Ukrainians, ** in the final story (“Fire in the Steppe”) you will note that the last hero standing dies in an explosion he set off to stop Tartar siege mining for the same purpose…killing himself and the Tartar miners to delay the Tartar advance….and then the nation fell. You do not want to reach the last man standing point. History is replete with proofs that it is fatal.

    There are times when Isaeli democracy is to be honored, wild and crazy as it seems, and then there are times when the old cliché’ “Two Jews, Three Opinions” is not funny. This is one of those times…and it is an existential threat if it continues.

    No one of power is going to pay serious attention to Israeli, as more than a distraction, until Israeli is arbitrary above and beyond the machinations of their enemies. Just as every other long established nation (I think several thousands years establishes Israel)

    ** BTW I am quite aware that during the time period Sienkievicz writes that anti-Semitism was a plague in Europe, east and west, however ,the existential point of the story is germane in its own right. You can not keep what you won’t defend with all of your heart.

    • anneinpt says:

      Aridog, you make very good and insightful remarks here, and I thank you too for your historical perspective about the Poles and Ukrainians – which seems to be replaying in front of our eyes, with the roles exchanged for Russians and Ukrainians.

      I think our political echelons are slowly catching up with general public opinion with a growing distaste for further concessions – at least I certainly hope so. I am of the firm opinion that if our gov’t would take a strong stance against any further concessions with the Palestinians, or even dealing with them until they recognize our right to exist as a Jewish state, they would benefit from very strong across-the-board public approval. They just need the backbone to take the plunge in the face of international disapproval.

      It is also very true that our (Israel’s) strength lies in our unity, even though our varied opinions are the backbone of our democracy. Looking at our history, in times of crisis is when we are at our strongest morally as well as militarily because that is when we draw together. In that respect I don’t think you need to worry about Israel’s existence. It would be nice if we were that unified in times of peace too.

  6. Brian Goldfarb says:

    “And if Abbas did indeed condemn the attack, what does it say about his society that he feels the need to deny the condemnation? Is he afraid of being murdered by his compatriots or of being deposed by one of his many rivals?” Yes, he is.

    Beyond that, I note from other on-line sources that Abbas is threatening to abolish the PA and leave the ball in Israel’s hands, if they don’t roll over and do what he demands. Not only can I not see Bibi doing that, with or without a Knesset majority, nor can I see any other likely Israeli leader doing so. Indeed, there might be a danger of the Israelis saying (something like) “okay, it’s all yours. We’ll throw a cordon sanitaire along the Jordan, pull back the outlying settlements/small towns, nomenclature irrelevant, defend to the hilt the major blocs, and the rest is yours. You want your own territory. It’s all yours. But one rocket or bullet, etc across the new de facto border, and your infrastructure gets hammered.

    See how you like those bananas.”

    • Aridog says:

      Brian…only one point I have regrettably come to accept as necessary differs with your conclusion. I respect your conclusion, and I am morally inclined that way…but no more, even though I have faced the same dilemma previously in my time at war. I changed once before and I have changed again. It is all about “resources” and destruction of “resources” is NOT collateral damage…it must be part of the intended damage. Civilians are resources. I think you get my drift.

      In part of my war I served with some Korean Marines, and they never took fire from a village twice, Never. Brutal, but once fired upon from a location, they leveled the location. GI’s used to joke when we cleared a village everything popped back in 5 minutes. When the ROK’s cleared village, nothing even grew for 5 years, not even a worm. The only thing worse for any given village was if they angered the NLF or PAVN, after which it was likely they’d never recover ever. At that is precisely my point. Your enemies, our enemies, today do not care, are immoral and target our civilians including children like Jane Richard, 7 years old at the time of the Boston bombing by Islamic terrorists. Her brother, slightly older was killed, the youngest to die that day. She came to mind and my mind changed when she was featured in a Wall Street journal article 16 April 2014 as a participant in a memorial service standing as little girls do with her leg coked to the side…her prosthetic leg. WE have our 9/11 etc. here and our war experiences elsewhere, but Israel suffers the same indiscriminate indignity every day…and I have one for very first steel roses from rockets in Askelon, from the first batch imported here, and I look at it every day as a reminder. That rocket was not fired at soldiers or infrastructure.

      Hammering infrastructure is not enough. It is never enough. In my own war time experience, and in WWII as well, which was going on when I was born. We’ve tried it and have never won a war since. You must hammer the whole thing, including all the resources, which sadly includes the civilian population. This is especially true in the asymmetrical wars of today, not less true as the grand progressive Illuminati wish to toke a mother nature and chant Ommmmmm.

      Sorry for the epistle.

    • cba says:

      “Abbas is threatening to abolish the PA and leave the ball in Israel’s hands”

      For the umteenth time http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.il/2014/04/abbas-threatens-to-dismantle-pa-yet.html#.U1Xgy_mSySo

    • anneinpt says:

      Like Aridog I agree with your stance in principle, but in practice it won’t work. Besides Aridog’s most likely correct thesis that unfortunately the only way to stop any attacks is to attack everything, including “collateral resources”, the Palestinians are just itching for Israel to attack their infrastructure, with our without collateral damage. That would just give them the excuse to run whining to the playground monitor, aka the UN and EU to complain about the Big Bad Israeli bully. Israel simply can’t win in this situation.

      However you are correct in practice too, in that Israel would never attack civilians even if it is the correct military solution, because we really are too moral to do that. Even though it backfires on us every time.

      This is not to say though that Israel won’t declare a unilateral border along the Jordan valley – with no need to withdraw from any towns or settlements.

      And as cba says below, Abbas has threatened to close the PA too many times for anyone to take him seriously any more. I say “bring it on”.

  7. peteca1 says:

    On a separate note … I notice that investigators have now determined that Assad is using chlorine on his “enemies” in Syria. It is a terrible and repugnant way to treat any human being. There are VERY GOOD reasons why these chemical agents were outlawed after WW1. I actually had a great grandfather who fought in WW1 and suffered from chlorine gas (from the Germans) … it ate away his lung tissues and caused him to down in blood. He was lucky to survive, but others with him were not. He was never the same afterwards. It is inconceivable that we are living in a world that is going back to these types of crimes – and even more inconceivable that no-one has the guts to do anything about it. I really dont see how Israel can come to terms with all of this, when these things are happening in your own backyard. There is not much that the IDF can do … but provide the best protection to Israeli citizens that they can possibly accomplish. How on Earth anybody could negotiate meaningful agreements in such a political climate is beyond me.

    Pete, USA

    • anneinpt says:

      Pete, thank you for your personal view here. How awful about your grandfather. Sadly no one really cares about the Syrians because it can’t be blamed on the Jews. Seriously. Just look at the fuss when one Palestinian is injured or killed by the IDF. All hell breaks loose, UN condemnations and the EU pontificates in front of any microphone. But a mere 100,000 dead Syrians, including thousands in the most terrible chemical attacks, – all you get are ums and ahs and “we must investigate” and “maybe it was the rebels”.

      You are quite correct that there is nothing much Israel can do besides protect its own citizens, which is what it is doing with the IDF strengthening the border and reinforcing its troops there.

      There is one other thing that we are doing – Israel is providing free medical care for as many Syrians, whether civilian or fighters from either side – as are able to reach the border and be brought into Israel by the Red Cross or other humanitarian organizations. This medical help is slowly winning over hearts and minds of the Syrian enemy, where years of propaganda has not managed to do so. It has even brought Israel some positive press in the MSM, (even the New York Times) where we had almost given up of ever getting a fair hearing.

  8. Earl says:

    …as are able to reach the border and be brought into Israel by the Red Cross or other humanitarian organizations. This medical help is slowly winning over hearts and minds of the Syrian enemy, where years of propaganda has not managed to do so.

    This is a major error- representing a Trojan horse, as it were. By admitting these people qua refugees, IL is now stuck with them under the ambit of the UN’s refugees policies. And whether these Syrians are Sunni or Shi’a, the imbued Judenhass in the Arabs ensures that Israelis patching up little Mahmoud or Ayisha won’t shift regional/international attitudes to IL one whit in the long term.

    Goldfarb mirrors my conclusion: best to simply contain the “Palestinians” behind defeasible lines, and let “Baroness” Ashton (Blair’s incompetent and unqualified patronage appointee) see to their well being as a hate-filled, unproductive, infantilized group.

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